A Straight Goods interview from 2002 with meat inspector Joanne O’Hara
Dateline: Friday, February 22, 2002
Reposted: Wednesday, September 10, 2003
SG: Joanne O’Hara, youre concerned about food safety in Ontario. Youve written to the newspapers and youve been quoted in the Ontario Farmer saying that there are problems with the meat inspection system at the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food. What made you go public?
JO: Initially when I was hired as a meat inspector, I was very excited about the work and the opportunity to be part of the food safety system in Ontario. In 1998 I had successfully been involved in the special pullorum eradication project on Vancouver Island. [CFIA..my addition March 4, 2015]
During my training it became apparent to me that meat inspection was not as stringent as I had expected it to be. Management seemed to have an agenda that leant towards satisfying plant operators in many cases. They also have no concern for their “employees” other than as tools to maintain their image. The denial of inspectors as employees is in my opinion also a reflection of their “standards”. I went public because I knew that meat inspectors still working could not say anything. There is a great deal of discontent and disillusionment. I believe the current operation is wrong and that it needs attention and correction, both for the inspectors and the public safety. I am no longer employed by them so I am free to express my concerns and make them public.
You contracted campylobacter on the job. What is that disease? What happened to the product that you got the disease from?
JO: Camylobacter is an enteric bacterial infection with symptoms similar to e.coli. It is commonly found in poultry and some red meat as well as unpasteurized goat milk. There is no way to positively identify the source of the campylobacter I picked up, however I have never had any infection of this type in the past and slaughter houses can be messy, especially in poultry plants where you are in close proximity to the eviscerator. No matter what personal precautions you take, it is not infrequent to be splashed in the face with evisceral debris. It would not be possible to identify the contamination at the time of inspection and it is also commonly known that these bacteria are present. Proper chilling, handling, storage and cooking from the plant to the table are essential in reducing food borne illness.
Do inspectors test for disease?
JO: No, not to my knowledge. As a matter of fact when I first reported illness no one asked me about my condition. There was annoyance that I was ill. I was told that being at the plant was a priority and that I should go even if sick and then call for relief. It was only after “I” followed up with Public Health and my area manager, that it became an issue. “A can of worms,” I was told by my then Acting Area Manager.
In the US, e-coli 0157:H7 in hamburger meat caused a number of deaths; that’s the same strain that was found in Walkerton. Is this a concern for us in Ontario?
JO: That is beyond the scope of my knowledge. I believe it is a concern though as I understand a vaccine is going to be tested, though I am not sure if that is for all beef.
So what does this say about our food safety?
JO: I believe there is room for considerable improvement. There are plants that I would not eat product from. There are plants that operate with very high standards. Food safety is inconsistent and somewhat arbritrary in my experience. I don’t really believe it is a priority of OMAFRA.
OMAFRA contracted out most of the meat inspector positions that were once part of the public service. The union says public safety is at risk. How does this affect me as a consumer?
JO: Always handle, cook and store your food as directed on packaging. Although OMAFRA has said meat inspectors only need to be in plants on slaughter days, I have never seen them explain to the public how a meat inspector can be on a slaughter line or kill floor and observe handling and cutting practices at the same time. When the plant is slaughtering the inspector has to be in a certain place. If he leaves the line or kill floor to check something else, theoretically the kill should stop.
You were fired by OMAFRA. Do you have an agenda?
JO: Yes, to have the current operations of OMAFRA Meat Inspection Branch brought to public attention. There is no other way for this to happen other than to get the problems out in the open. Inspectors have told me they have tried in the past, but that OMAFRA always has a way around it and that they punish those that are “troublemakers”. I believe those are the real reasons for my dismissal.
I put up a website called “Mince Meat” as an online help center for meat inspectors and to provide public exposure. This way OMAFRA cannot track which meat inspectors are participating and using the help, which they can do via the OMAFRA e-mail system. To date I have received only positive feedback and comments from other inspectors. They are very happy this is happening.
So how can the average citizen protect himself or herself from problems of this kind?
JO: I have always felt that government should be transparent and accountable. It’s difficult for the average citizen. We trust or don’t trust, and remedies are often long and convoluted. Individuals have to take action of some sort-ask questions and demand real answers.
What can we do to change this?
JO: Meat inspection in particular? First I would like to see protection for the existing meat inspectors. I would like to see an investigation into the meat inspection branch operations and the management. We already have the Auditors Report, which has addressed some issues. (see www.gov.on.ca/opa/english/r01t.htm) I think there needs to be more detailed information available to the public. The management has to explain themselves and be accountable for their agendas and actions.
Recently Joanne O’Hara wrote to Ontario’s labour minister Chris Stockwell about working conditions in the packing industry and its implications for consumers. Here’s a copy of her letter:
On December 17, 2001, I filed a complaint against OMAFRA -Food Inspection Branch Meat Inspection with the Ministry of Labour. I am aware that there are a number of other complaints against OMAFRA and that my claim is not the first.
I think it would be fair to say that the average person and indeed even Ministry of Labour staff, would feel that the Ministry of Labour is not the right jurisdiction for a such a claim.
OMAFRA has clearly indicated via a Fee for Service contract with part time Meat Inspectors that they are not Public Servants nor are they employees of the Ministry.
Meat inspectors are clearly employees of someone, and the remaining jurisdiction is the Ministry of Labour.
The above is the foundation reason for the complaint, along with a number of other issues regarding neglectful employer/employee relations and failure to comply with employment standards in the Province of Ontario on many points.
Although there are additional conditions and circumstances I believe need investigation, I believe these are beyond the scope of the ESA.
My reason for writing to you is to seek your personal assurance that all complaints against OMAFRA will be thoroughly investigated and in a timely manner.
To date I have not had as little as an acknowledgment regarding my claim, which was filed formally on December 17, 2001.
The conditions under which contract meat inspectors work not only violate the ESA, but continue to put worker and public safety at risk.
I assume that this should be of urgent concern to you though it is evident it is not of any concern to OMAFRA. (A sad state that a branch of the Public Service establishes and operates under their own criteria and agenda.)
Can such management of meat inspection truly have the best interest of the public in mind when their own
employees are not even acknowledged as such and are treated with such a lack of respect and in defiance of the law?
Does such a management suddenly become responsible where “public” health and safety are concerned?
I trust that investigating working conditions and employee status of meat inspectors under OMAFRA is a top priority and that both the public and the employees can be guaranteed that we do indeed live in a province that has common sense and is accountable to its citizens.
Can you assure me and all other contract meat inspectors as well as the public that this is the case?
I consider this to be of the greatest urgency as meat inspectors have been working under these conditions for a number of years. Worker and public health and safety cannot be put on a back burner.
URL 1: www.warriorwords.com (now defunct unfortunately)
March 04, 2015
As a result of all this , there was a formal review of the meat inspection process in Ontario, by Justice Haines. Initially there was to be an inquiry but that was changed to a review.
Most of the US raw milk sales in one form or another are legal. Why is Canada so backward about this when they jump the US bandwagon of so many other things. Come on Stephen Harper..get with the program!!
The bizarre case of a flock of rare sheep — purportedly stolen from an Ontario farm by agricultural activists to thwart a federal kill order during a disease scare — was adjourned after government documents suggested the infected sheep that sparked the high-profile standoff could have actually been an animal from the United States.
Internal documents from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) also suggest workers may have tried to cover up any potential mistake or withheld information from its own reports, defence lawyers complain.
However, until more of the government’s records on the controversial case are released, it is difficult to know precisely what has gone on since 2010, when a sheep tested positive for scrapie, a degenerative disease in sheep similar to the “mad cow disease” that affects cattle.
Whether the diseased sheep came from the Ontario ewe, as the CFIA publicly says, or an American ram, as documents in court suggest it was once thought, is important not only for the criminal case but also for cross-border agricultural trade.
On Monday, a 22-page letter from Shawn Buckley, a B.C. lawyer defending sheep owner Montana Jones against criminal charges, was submitted in court asking for an adjournment until the government can provide fuller documentation.
An internal CFIA email is quoted in Mr. Buckley’s letter saying: “The tattoo on the animal indicates it was imported from the USA — may be interesting … since this [is] a male and imported the focus goes to its herd of origin and therefore doesn’t require much on this farm in Canada.”
The sheep on Ms. Jones’ farm was a female and had never been to the U.S., Ms. Jones said.
I can’t comment on it. I’d love to comment on it. I’d love to correct all the errors in that letter
Other documents raise a concern that the sheep’s tissue sample appeared to have been sent for testing wrapped in a bag but arrived in a hard box, suggesting undocumented repackaging.
“I am now faced with what appears to be a deliberate effort by these CFIA employees to gather very relevant evidence and deliberately hide it,” Mr. Buckley’s letter to the court says.
The CFIA did not respond to a request for comment.
Damien Frost, a lawyer acting on the federal government’s behalf in the prosecution of the case, said he could not comment on the specifics of the letter, saying he was going to apply Monday morning to have a publication ban placed on the proceedings.
“I can’t comment on it. I’d love to comment on it. I’d love to correct all the errors in that letter,” he said. He added that once all of the information is known, the picture will be clearer.
Ms. Jones and a co-accused — unpasteurized milk crusader and agricultural activist Michael Schmidt — are charged with conspiracy to commit an indictable offence, obstructing a peace officer, obstructing justice and obstructing the Health of Animals Act after Ms. Jones’ flock was secretly moved to thwart a government-ordered slaughter.
“We’ve got major concerns about disclosure in this case,” Mr. Buckley said in an interview. “A key factor is going to be them being able to try to prove that a sheep from Montana’s farm came down with scrapie in Alberta. And with the disclosure I have to date there are holes — there are huge holes.”
Judge Lorne Chester ordered the adjournment until April 27 to allow time for the government to provide more of its internal documents.
The sheep case was strange from the start.
In 2010, a sheep in Alberta tested positive for scrapie and the CFIA started an investigation. The CFIA then declared the sheep came from Ms. Jones’ farm in Hastings, 170 kilometres east of Toronto, where she bred Shropshire Sheep, a rare breed that traces its lineage back to the first sheep imported to Canada from England.
The CFIA moved to slaughter her flock. She fought to save them, often through emotional standoffs.
Before CFIA officers and police arrived at her farm in 2012 with an order to destroy 31 sheep, including 20 pregnant ewes, the flock went missing during the night.
Ms. Jones told the National Post at the time that she opened her barn door and found a note but no sheep. The handwritten letter, left on a nail hammered into a post near the barn’s door, said the flock had been taken into “protective custody” by the “Farmers Peace Corp.”
It sparked a police lambhunt.
“I hope they’re safe,” she said at the time. “I have no idea where they are.”
Neither did the Ontario Provincial Police until the sheep were found months later at a farm about a five-hour drive from her farm. The flock was slaughtered.
One of those charged alongside Ms. Jones and Mr. Schmidt, Suzanne Atkinson, a farmer and a freelance reporter with an agricultural newspaper, pleaded guilty in December to unlawful transport of quarantined animals without a licence.
Karen Selick, litigation director with the Canadian Constitution Foundation, is assisting Ms. Jones with the case.
“The case really boils down to some major constitutional issues,” Ms. Selick said in an interview.
“[Ms. Jones] has had her livelihood ruined over a suspicion — a mere suspicion by a bureaucrat who doesn’t give a damn. It makes someone from CFIA judge, jury and executioner with no higher authority,” she said.
The foundation plans to oppose the government’s request for a publication ban on Monday.
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Read All About It! News Blackout on Sheep-napping Case
by: David Gumpert Mon, 03/02/2015 – 19:26 posted in:
With a prosecutor upset about disclosures on this blog about the scrapie-related sheep-napping case, a Canadian judge earlier today took the extraordinary step of imposing a news blackout on the case.
The effect of the blackout was immediate: The National Post, a major Canadian publication, immediately took down an article published Friday about how a sheep identified by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency as a carrier of scrapie may well have come from the U.S., and not from Montana Jones’ herd of rare Shropshire sheep. If that is the case, then her sheep were likely destroyed as part of a charade to shift blame, and the charges against her and Michael Schmidt are a sham as well.
Fortunately, you can find the article–here’s a cached version from Google; it was also re-posted on a Texas blog about scrapie. But better hurry if it’s something you want to have a copy of–who knows how long it will last anywhere. Also, The Bovine has a summary and excerpts.
Even news of the judge’s order seemed to be blacked out. Confirmation came from the Schmidt-Jones defense team. It’s hard to believe the Canadian media would be so timid as to immediately go along with a court’s order to put a muzzle on free speech, without even so much as a whimper, or a court challenge of their own.
It’s also hard to believe the judge would act so precipitously. Canadian legal rules provide that requests for news blackouts in preliminary inquiries of the sort ongoing for Schmidt and Jones should come in advance of the inquiry. Once the inquiry begins, both sides are required to agree to it. But the judge seems to have ignored the fact that the defense opposed the blackout, and wouldn’t even allow time for the defense lawyer, Shawn Buckley, to fly cross country to mount an argument against the prosecution request.
The news blackout seemed to be motivated by two desires:
1. Most important, to limit the expanding flow of embarrassing information coming out about the CFIA’s handling of the case. The first of that information came via a 22-page letter from a member of the defense team that I posted last week, and do again here now. The defense lawyer, Shawn Buckley, accuses the CFIA of “hiding” key information and of making only partial disclosures of email exchanges among agents, so as to confuse the defense. My decision to publish this letter apparently irked the CFIA prosecutor and, together with the article in the National Post, convinced the prosecution to seek the news blackout.
– A secondary goal seems to be to dry up contributions to the Canadian Constitutional Foundation, which is mounting the defense for farmers Michael Schmidt and Montana Jones. From the start, the prosecution has tried an array of tactics to disrupt the defense in this bizarre case that stems from a 2010 dispute between the Canadian government and farm owner Montana Jones over whether her rare Shropshire sheep should be slaughtered because they were supposedly exposed to the serious disease, scrapie. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), the equivalent to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, insisted the sheep needed to be slaughtered to determine for certain whether they harbored scrapie. Jones insisted there was no evidence they did, and sought to negotiate a compromise whereby her farm would be quarantined for up to five years to be certain. The CFIA refused to bend. When its agents arrived in 2012, the sheep had disappeared, with only a note left behind that the sheep had been placed in “protective custody” by something called the “Farmers Peace Corps.” (The Canadian Constitutional Foundation has provided additional background on the case.)
Canadian supporters of Schmidt and Jones are rightfully worried that the absence of news coverage in Canada could seriously hurt the case. I’m not so sure. Sometimes, when governments attempt censorship, that simply stirs supporters to work around the censorship attempts and get the information out more widely than it otherwise would have gone. That’s one of the big advantages of the Internet.
I have committed to Canadian supporters to use this blog as a source of information on what’s happening in the case. To give that commitment leverage, I encourage readers to circulate this blog post as well as other news reports that will be coming up as widely as possible on social media. Use your Facebook groups and Twitter accounts to get the word out as widely as you can. Encourage re-distribution.
I have also committed to getting the word out about the need to raise funds for the defense team. The banner at the top of this post provides information about contributing to the Canadian Constitutional Foundation, which is defending the farmers; here is a link to the donation page.
Here’s my prediction: This blackout will spring so many leaks that the news coverage will become bigger and wider than it ever would have been otherwise.
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Thanks for this information, you are quite accurate reporting and interesting analysis. Canada really in need of connecting to healthy Raw Milk and Foods.
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With luck this could provide a great example of the Streisand Effect ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect ), that phenomenon whereby attempted shutdown of media events only draws attention to them. Seems like a great opportunity, and it couldn’t happen to more deserving people.
Nothing would surprise me about Canada’s media when it comes to kowtowing to the government. I used to want to move there but ever since its government’s radical tilt to the right Canada has been one of the places I would *least* want to go to.
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Michael Schmidt has been conspicuous by his absence from the raw milk and food rights scene for quite some months now. Instead of traveling the continent as keynote speaker at conferences, he quietly tends to his cows and avoids the limelight — which leads many to wonder what is up with the mystery man. Fortunately, for those who have been wondering, this recent self-interview from Michael sheds a little light on some of the latest developments in Michael’s long, and still continuing, work in the fields of raw milk and food rights.
A rather rare interview with Michael Schmidt:
Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Associate Dean, University of Guelph, the only scientist who openly said that change should and can happen if the DFO would have the courage and the political will to tackle the raw milk issue. Marie-Chantal Houde, farmer and cheese maker from Quebec, Michael Schmidt
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For those new to making kombucha, the process can be intimidating. Every little thing is confusing. Does it matter if my kombucha SCOBY sinks? Can I cut my SCOBY in half? Why can’t I ferment the kombucha SCOBY with fruit juice? How much sugar is left in the kombucha when it’s done? How can I tell when my kombucha is done? It’s taking an unusually long time for my SCOBY to grow. How long is enough? Today, I’m answering these and other frequently asked questions about kombucha. Hope it helps!
Andreas Eenfeldt MD
Read Andreas’ Basic and free low carb primer which more or less includes wheat belly, primal and paleo which are all offshoots or tweaks on low carb high fat and avoid grains and starch. The new fad of resistant starch is changing things a bit, but for now a solid understanding of what LCHF is and is not, is a great place to start.
I’m not so sure I like the hoopla and almost fanatical and cultish aura surrounding some paleo, primal and wheat belly followers. I prefer the facts without the drama. Yep great health benefits without grains. Not new information..just new attention -big time-and to the benefit of all..no argument there, but all are essentially low carb high fat, 2nd and 3rd generation modifications..ala Dr Atkins, as natural as possible foods..simple. No nonsense. No tabloid declarations of Ripley’s Believe It or Not or National Enquirer dimensions. Cut the crap..low carb high fat.
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Another very valuable-more than a – tidbit of information about the effects of coffee and its relationship to gluten/wheat and . Although I just restocked my coffee, and recently bought a new stainless 2 cup Moka pot, I think I will try eliminating coffee. I really have thought about this for some time..and I know that when I “suspect” something and have an idea on my mind-it is usually intuitive and the best thing to follow. Coming cross this article certainly reinforces my thoughts/inclinations. Tomorrow I shall start with a significant decrease (eliminate 1 mug). It is very possible by tomorrow morning I could change my mind and go cold turkey. I am very much a cold turkey approach person. Embrace or do not embrace.
JISSN | Full text | Metabolic Effects of the Very-Low-Carbohydrate Diets: Misunderstood “Villains” of Human Metabolism
I wonder..so much misunderstanding, lack of investigation-or pharma/gov interference-resulting is the obesity diabetic crisis. A simple solution. Do not eat carbohydrates to any degree. Personally that is a much more attractive solution to me than the alternative of lousy and deteriorating health.
How has it happened that this simple, exquisite, common sense solution has not prevailed?
Even with Type 1 diabetes-it seems that a ketogenic diet may be a health promoting alternative as per Dr Richard K Bernstein. (YouTube speak on low carb)
edited Dec 28 to add.
I recently picked up a Blood Ketone/Glucose Monitor (free with a few stix) to see exactly where I am as I have not lost any weight at all for several months even though I am very low carb (most of the time- I have had the odd day up in the 70s and maybe 1-2 days around 10 g/carbs in several months). I have learned I am very carb sensitive and it does not take much to knock me out of ketosis. I like being ketoadapted and feeling SOOO much better and energetic. I began looking into monitors and decided to check at my local pharmacy where lo and behold could get a free Precision Xtra with the purchase of some strips. I mixed and matched some ketone/glucose strips and they also gave me a lancet pencil that I like much better than the one included with the Precision Xtra.
I began to monitor both levels December 26, 2012.
I almost forgot why I am editing this post :). The pharmacist also suggested I pick up the booklet on Diabetes called “”Living Healthy with Diabetes”. Well I am in my
3rd 4th year low carbing and my the huge influence in my life was Gary Taubes. Suffice to say I know a bit (possibly a lot more) about diabetes control and insulin than most dieticians/doctors. it would certainly seem so when you read the recommendations.
- 45-60% of daily food should be carbohydrates !!?? from whole grains, legumes, fruits and veg! Pardon me?
Never mind reduce your carbs..if you want to eat more the advice is -can you believe it- to increase your insulin. ie adjust you insulin according to your diet instead of adjusting your diet to reduce your insulin.
Here is the killer-literally-
- Choose starchy foods at each meal, such as bread, cereal, pasta, rice, potatoes. (and they later suggest that exchanging high glycemic foods with low may aid in controlling blood sugar.)
- How good of them. and did I correctly read that 10% as “sugar” is Okay!? “It is helpful to consider the glycemic index ?
I have to say I am appalled at this most irresponsible,unethical information. These are either the most stupid uneducated people in health care or they do not give a rats ass as to what happens to any diabetic. Possibly both are true. How can anyone have any faith in a system that clearly does not know what it is talking about or chooses to ignore the truth. We know the answer. Look at all the money the one “disease” of diabetes creates for BIG PHARMA and related. Billions.
I’ve wondered and thought about this myself quite a lot over the past couple of years.
Originally posted on THAT PALEO GUY:
Calories – a topic that seems to push me from zero to rant mode in 2.3 seconds. You hear people say calories count. Others say they don’t. And in the end, with the punters on the ground, it leads to nothing but confusion. I’ll try to give my take here, touching a bit on Robb Wolf’s latest post, and the buzz word de jour – nutritional ketosis. I’ll try to do so without spiralling down into some form of frothing-at-the-mouth incoherence.
A calorie is a calorie?
Here is a comment I left on Gary Taubes’ blog on the topic;
Saying a calorie is a calorie is no more useful in describing what is happening at a physiological level than saying a metre is a metre. Both are units of measurement, useful in our physical worlds – for measuring stuff – but completely bloody hopeless for understanding our biology.
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Another winner courtesy of GourmetGirlCooks: who does not love a “bread” stuffing!!
Herbed Grain Free Stuffing…”Voila!”
Today I continued to work on my “Operation Grain Free Stuffing” recipe. :-) The grain free bread cubes I made a few days ago were good, but the bread was still a little too dense for my liking to use for stuffing. I revisited my recipe again this morning to see how I could lighten it up just a bit. The recipe I made for the lightly herbed “Grain Free Stuffing Bread Cubes” makes about 7 cups of oven dried bread cubes which is the equivalent to approximately 1 bag of commercial stuffing mix which typically contain about 6 cups. You will need to measure the bread cubes AFTER drying them out because I measured them both before and after oven drying. Before drying they made 10 cups of fresh bread cubes; after oven drying they measured a tad over 7 cups (the dried measurement is the one you need to use). I made an Herbed Grain Free Stuffing recipe that I posted below, but you could easily just use the Grain Free Stuffing Bread Cube recipe to make your favorite stuffing recipe. Stuffing (or dressing) is such a personal kind of dish — people have all kinds of preferences as to what they like to put in their stuffing…or more what they don’t like in it. My Grain Free Stuffing Bread Cubes recipe below is a great substitute for the more traditional wheat bread stuffing that many of us are accustomed to. The recipe for my grain free bread cubes is posted below my Herbed Grain Free Stuffing recipe, so if you are using them in your own stuffing recipe, just scroll past mine directly to the recipe for the “stuffing bread cubes”.
For dinner tonight, I am making Lemon Herb Roasted Chicken. I’m roasting a 7-lb chicken in my dutch oven. I placed a couple of celery stalks along with their leaves and a couple of carrots in the bottom of my dutch oven to place the chicken on. I squeezed the juice of 1 fresh lemon over the top of my chicken and placed the cut lemon halves into the chicken’s cavity along with 1/2 of an onion, a sprig of fresh rosemary, a handful of fresh sage leaves and a few sprigs of fresh thyme to help flavor the bird from the inside out. In a small bowl, I mixed a few tablespoons of olive oil, and a tablespoon each of fresh rosemary, thyme and sage along with some salt and pepper and brushed it over the chicken, covered it and popped it into a 400 degree F oven for 30 minutes — and then uncovered it and reduced the oven temperature to 350 degrees F and roasted it for another 1-1/2 hours until it was done. The smell in my kitchen this afternoon from the fresh lemon herb chicken roasting for a couple of hours along with the Herbed Grain Free Stuffing was amazing! In tonight’s stuffing test I did not add the sausage or mushrooms because I wanted to get a clear feel of the texture of the fresh herb flavored stuffing itself. I’ve snapped a few photos below for you to see as well as 2 recipes (one for the Grain Free Stuffing Bread Cubes to use in your own recipe and the other for my Herbed Grain Free Stuffing). Enjoy!